What do you guys think??

[1fish2fish3fish]

"Sorry for the rant, but quite frankly your comments are misguided and the misinformation you have provided could lead to inexperienced aquarists loosing their fish at a great financial and emotional cost."

Sooooo, no one but a certain few are allowed to give advise..if it workes for this guy and he would like to post it, why not..
you say have some respect!!.. wheres the respect, for when I go into sooo many threads and you bash the LFS emplyees, dont you think some of us use theses site too..you all need to word things better,..
im finding myself less and less on this site cause of these things..your all experts..whoo hoo..
easy does it as you all post...

[Hollowman]

wheres the respect, for when I go into sooo many threads and you bash the LFS emplyees, dont you think some of us use theses site too.....

1fish'
I think we have discussed this before, of course there are exceptions to the rules, and thank goodness for people like you, but sadly this is not always the case. I think we need to know exactly where you are so members in your country can find great advice. Please post more. I am sorry if I upset you.

I am no Heiko, I am no expert, I may post a lot, but my logic follows simple common sence and experiences, not just mine but the real experts here and friends on my own forum.

We do all have our own ways of doing things as we all live different lives with different commitments, so maintenance regimes can vary. But as a passionate keeper of these fish, I want only the best conditions. It has been proven that large frequent water changes and a good diet keeps fish healthy and leads to optimal growth, just look at the fish that come out of Singapore and Malaysia or Germany. These people cannnot be wrong. In our countries, we can only try to emulate the conditions either that the fish were raised in, domestic strains, or try to immitate the natural eco system, both are difficult and require time to get right, both involve large water changes.

I understand that not everyone wants a show fish, some people like and are happy with a stunted fish, and that is fine,, they can live a happy life in a planted or bare tank. But my experience tells me that once someone learns a bit about discus, they soon realise the difference between a poorly raised fish and a quality fish, and want to do better.

Our purpose as a forum is to assist or guide everyone who asks for help, this is done via our experiences. What I don't like however is wrong advice that might lead less experienced keepers to make mistakes which can be very costly and painfull.
If I make comments that upset anyone, I am sorry, really. Everyone has their opinion, I just voice mine and am happy to be corrected if wrong.

H

[1fish2fish3fish]

K.. yes.. let me rephrase that a bit,
IMO and my experience lets just say all fish need better, good, excellent water conditions to thrive..we all know water quality is everything.
its all in balance, from what I have seen and learnt myself..
everyones tank is different, size, fish , PH etc..what might work for one may not work for another, simple, but we all have the right here I feel to state what does work for us.
Discus are not as hard as they used to be to keep!, I have many friends that keep them and they look just like the ones here, big healthy, and are number of yrs old, alot of the keepers here have wonderful Discus and like to go to the extreme to keep them, which is fine, most have purchased Discus from breeders over the yrs that are kept in this type of water, so they must.
So over a period of time as fish become accustom to the water which they live, a tank may look fine, ( I see this alot ) which it will for a long time as ppl clean it maybe once a month or longer, dont do vacs for months and months..they come to buy more fish " wanna add 3 more neons"..then show up in 3 days "their dead" you sold me sick fish.. nope I didnt.. well my tank was fine till I added these?? perfect time to have a chat ,if there willing to listen.. almost all times this is the case..
some ppl say they have the right set up, how do you know for sure?

Heres my 40gal set-up..just a quick run down..half of these fish a yrs old
upside down cat 7+ yrs ( a centimetre when bought )
2 4-5 inch clown loaches 1+ yrs
2 4in bumblebee catfish 1+ yrs
1 2-3 in Sumoloach 6 months or so, great little fish
5 black neons, hugh and fat 2 yrs, did lose one at first
6 neons , same 2 yrs
6 rummy nose 2 yrs, lost one at first
1 blue gouramis 4 +in about 2 yrs
1 long fin Danio since start of set-up 4 yrs ago, lost other 3 to cycling
1 2-3 in algae loach
1 panda angel 3+ in round 2 yrs ( size of dime when bought )
1 veintail angel 2 in round 1+ yrs ( size of dime when bought )
1 2 in checkerboard cichlid 6 months
and just added another 1 inch angel.
over stocked?? I think, compatible? somewhat, doing well yes, Im enjoying my tank,and pleased.
lots of driftwood, 1 silk plant, and some hornwort dropped in.
thats just 1 of my tanks...

[1fish2fish3fish]

yah! thank goodness for ppl like me.. I love my job and the work involved, more so when I know Ive helped people in the hobby at hand. Its a good feeling, I take pride in that. sorry but I did take offence to it.. when it posted..
Its Discus we are talking about, I know, and they do Differ from other fish. Im new to them myself..
I understand your concern for miss leading advise to others..
he was just stating his set-up here for the poster to see, not saying do it this way..
IMO nothing wrong in him posting it..

[rwel4809]

Sooooo, no one but a certain few are allowed to give advise..if it workes for this guy and he would like to post it, why not..
you say have some respect!!.. wheres the respect, for when I go into sooo many threads and you bash the LFS emplyees, dont you think some of us use theses site too..you all need to word things better,..
im finding myself less and less on this site cause of these things..your all experts..whoo hoo..
easy does it as you all post...

You obviously did not read my previous post, have another look, I agree with you on most points.

Sorry that you are so upset - you must be a very good fish keeper to be able to keep such a diverse and well stocked tank happy and healthy.

Unfortunately not all of us are as skilled and so we have to stick to the rules in order to keep our fish healthy.

R.

[Nic]

Wow guys...
Ease up.
I only wanted to know if that tank would be ok.....
clearly it isnt going to b.
Just calm down!

Thx for all your help...it really hasnt done much for me.

[Goerge_of_the_Jungle]

Firstly ......

OMG - that took some serious concentration to read all of those posts lol. some heated discussing going on there ...

right ... back to the ORIGINAL post of this thread ...

Wow guys...
Ease up.
I only wanted to know if that tank would be ok.....
clearly it isnt going to b.
Just calm down!

Thx for all your help...it really hasnt done much for me.

Nic,

Your setup will be FINE mate - yes, people will tell you Discus are schooling fish - keep them in a school of 5 or more fish - you don't have to. You have to remember - the advise people will give you is a guide - just as H-man said in his post up ^^ there some where - its not the 'holy bible of Discus' and you don't have to stick to it - as H-Man also said - other users of this forum will mostly give you advice to get you out of tricky situations.

Yes your tank will be fine for 3 maybe 4 discus and a few other fish - when you said you had a 3 ft tank - i didn't realize it was a 3x2x2 - my appoligies for my first post saying it wouldn't be suitable.

good luck with your setup - check your water parameters regularly - maybe if you have a good bacteria colony and lots of plants - you wont need to do 50% water change a day - maybe you will only need to do one twice a week and graven vac the poop off the bottom - good luck, take care of your fish but most of all - as I'm sure EVERYONE will agree - HAVE FUN with your new discus setup!

[Hollowman]

Nic, none of that was directed at you, passions do run high sometimes, but we all get on really. What we don't want is for someone new to discus to get the wrong info from the start. George has given good advice, but don't be shy to ask more questions.

H

[TW]

Yes Nic, your tank is fine for 4 discus, with room to spare. There's 3ft tanks & there's 3ft tanks. Your's is a big 3ft tank

Going on 1 discus per 45 litre rule, you can actually have 6. But because you will have to deduct some water volume to allow for gravel, plants, etc maybe 4-5 would be a better number.

[Nic]

Yer guys no offence taken...

Thx for ur help and im sure itll all be worth it wen i have the setup i want!!!

Ill make sure i keep u all posted!!!