discusfantasy,
are you Vic or are you Lee?
come on mate, do the right thing here, you'd be upset if this happened to you.
not saying its your fault, Just thats its still your responsibility.
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discusfantasy,
are you Vic or are you Lee?
come on mate, do the right thing here, you'd be upset if this happened to you.
not saying its your fault, Just thats its still your responsibility.
discusfantasy
it doesn't matter if the aquarium or your mum bagged them on your behalf, you're still the seller.
and if you and fishhouse are the same person, i'm sure the administrators may be able to determine that. i think there are rules about not using multiple user names.
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Originally Posted by discusfantasy
Discusfantasy...
vlsvls...
fishhouse...
Lee Sewan...
Victor Sewan...
Would you be so kind and go away.
Not only are you a dirty rotten cheating con artist, you are a regular PITA.
Dont think your phony logins, and bogus emails dont get picked up on straight away... we like our laughs as well...
Anyways, time to say bye bye now
:P
:laff4
:wave1
FYI
NEW SOUTH WALES
Consumer, Trader & Tenancy Tribunal
Level 12
175 Castlereagh Street
Sydney 2000
Phone: 1300 135 399
Fax: 1300 135 247
Website: http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/se...enus/cttt.html
VICTORIA
Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal
Civil Claims List 7th Floor
55 King Street
Melbourne VIC 3000
Phone: (03) 9628 9830 or 1800 133 055 (Only VIC)
Fax: (03) 9268 9988
Email: vcat@vcat.vic.gov.au
Website: www.vcat.vic.gov.au/vcatcivilclaimslist.htm
To lodge a claim, contact the Office of Fair Trading on 9627 6111 or 1300 558 181. Only after lodging can you contact VCAT directly.
go for gold !
I just went through the receipt of the invoice on the AAE.
Figure out that he over charge me on the postage. I was told that it cost $80 for postage and want me to put another $40 for foam box plastic bag and his petrol costs. Therefore i paid $300 + $120 for everything when the postage only cost him $45.50
baga. .
btw he is Lee Sewan and that's what he put on the invoice .
JT I am sorry for you that this happened and so sorry for the fish. I would take it to tribunal to have your money returned, it may take a while but it would be worth it , that is a lot of money. As someone else said Karma will come back and bite him in the but. What a horrible untrustworthy man.
Hi ,
i know he is banned but!!!
i just thought i would put my 2 cents in here , vlsvls you are a dirty xxxx TIP RAT ! Even before this saga !
You claim that it is not your fault ?
Did you supply the fish ? YES , Even if an aquarium shop bagged the fish,You are still supplying them !
Now were they DOA ? Yes
Pay the person back you xxxx bloke
Oh and P.S you really are a xxxxing peice of xxxx!! and i hope you get Stitched up one day SOON!!!
Ban me if you want for this abuse !! but he is xxxx
Cheers Tommo
in order to take it to tribunal, all i need to do is just follow the link that "nicholas76" provide and report him or ??
thanks for back me up guys ...
appreciated . . .
We know that, and sadly many members here have been ripped off by him or is co-horts in the past, hence why they are banned from this community.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT
Sadly though, they just keep coming back...
:evil:
Tommo you wont be banned for saying what a lot of people think, however young'uns do read the forum so I have had to tone down some of your msg (people will still get the jist however)
:wink:
You are right ! Sorry Proteus, I thought i did tone it down ! Anyhow i just hope he never comes back !
Cheers Tommo
I reckon Lee/Vic Sewan/discusfantasy/fishhouse, whatever his name/alias, wanted those fish to be DOA cause JT would've found that they had gill flukes or any other diseases.
I have had a quick read of this and according to the refund policy you are entitled to a refund. It doesn't actually state anything about live stock but merchandise is merchandise. There is a number on there I would call and they should point you in the right direction. Keep all your receipts, and whatever else you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT
Wish we had Judge Judy here, she would fix him. :D
JT, my sis work at Fair trading. I'll ask her tomorrow whats the procedures and course of action you can take.
Cheers
:thumb
Forum admins, this debacle raises some interesting issues. Is it not possible to add a buyer feedback feature to this forum, something similar to the EBay buyer feedback system. In a year from now, this thread will be lost in amongst the myriad of others to come. Can we not have a separate topic under the classifieds where private buyers in each state can deal with private sellers with a good reputation to prevent (reduce) this sort of thing happening again.
While we’re all putting our 2c worth in, can I say that buying fish from interstate from an unknown entitity, particularly for newbies, is not the best practice. If you’re not finding the quality of fish you need in local fish shops, explore local breeders and research this forums classifieds for private sellers. From my point of view, all our major cities will have quality fish for purchase if you look in the right places. Regional buyers obviously have more logistical challenges. I’ve just come back from a weekend in Hervey Bay (QLD) having spent 4hrs in the car with three new discus. All survived no problem. HTH.
this bloke is also on boronia aquarium forum as wild discus watch out for him if you use this forum
hmm im pretty sure on the origin of these fish and who imported these into the country.
and I am also aware that they were sold as all male fish too!
now im curious how do you sex a DOA? ....apart from asking it nicely?
This is his detail from Boronia Aqarium
0433 842 894 or vicsawan@bigpond.com
Thanks
Lee (Melbourne, Western Suburbs)
thanks very much for all the help guys . . .
appreciated.
JT,
Here is the correspondence from Fair trading.
Yes if the buyer in sydney he can lodge the complaint however he might not get the full $400.00 only for the goods which is the fish price. He will need to have evidence so pics of the dead fish in package, he needs to get quotes in regards how much the fish costs in retail and any other evidence.
Tell him to lodge a general complaint on our website..
www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au under general division.
Hi Guys,
If this guy was banned then while i think the banning was a fair call, i think waiting until this was resoilved before banning him would have been better as the pressure and logic/common sense shown by the "nice and decent" discus keepers may have persuaded him to rethink his position (or maybe not). I think at the end of the day being a business owner (computer software) it would be hard to get a possitive decision from fair trading on the shipment of live animals due to the obvious risks involved. I think at least a 50% refund should have been a reasonable solution. Also if it is known that a seller is not an experienced shipper of discus then you also must assume some responsibility as a buyer to take the risk of entrusting the seller with the duty of shipping the fish.
BUT if the fish were sick before being shipped then thats another story. Thats just wrong.
I currently have about 30 discus around 5 - 7cm that i have bred and someone offered to buy all of them from me recently. I said no, because 3 of them had recently stopped eating and showing signs of hex (white poo etc). Ide rather sell none of them until i am 100% that they are all ok than get a bad reputation for selling sick fish. Luckily with 26 tanks going i can separate any sick fish before anything spreads but still, its not worth getting a bad rep.
Kevin.
Hi guys...
Para and Nicholas76... thank you all very much for those information and help.
I have just lodge a complaint on the Fair Trading website. Not sure if this is gona work or not but at least i tried lol
JT, within 14 days a consultant should call you regarding your lodgement. Good luck.
Cheers
good luck with this JT. Hope the seller gets what he deserves, sucks when there are so many good sellers here that one person has to destroy trust levels.
cheers
jared
OZFISH
This is not the first time mate !!!
Cheers Tommo
Hi guys
the guy from Fair Trade called me this morning and discuss few issue with me.
Although the Fair Trade did find out he has some connection with Boronia Aquarium but because those discus are sold under his private name shipped under his private name and details and the money was transfered into his private account. Fair Trade cannot take any action on him.
Therefore the case might closed as it is . . .
That's just sad, it's these people that gives honest breeders/sellers a bad name.
Makes me more cautious about buying things via bank transfers
hmm that really dosent sound right, ring a solicitor.
I hope this dosent discourage you from buying discus especially through the "mail"
There are many reputable retailers and private sellers in the trade.
I have dealt with many and im more then happy to direct you to the right persons next time.
send me a Pm anytime :)
actually it does and is. when dealing privately with someone its "buyer beware" unless its blatant obvious fraud and you have concrete proof (paid for something and the thing never existed like the ebay scammers do). and in the end in this situation it really is his word against yours. if this ever went to court there is no proof these fish weren't in 100% condition when sent.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholas76
ripoff's on the net are extremely common, ive been ripped off more times than id like to mention.
good rule, if your ever dealing with someone you dont personally know, never spend more money than you are willing to throw away.
Fair call Dan. If thats the law then so be it.
we could write a list of rules you shoudl take when buying fish in this manner. food for thought how about we start this in a new thread ???
Which is why I prefer to pay via paypal and willing pay extra to the seller to cover their surcharge. Of course I understand that it works both ways and there are some scammer buyers out there that abuse paypal.
It's a catch 22 situation...
after what has happened to JT, I am going to be extra careful about buying things via EFT
I've just read all the posts.... what a SAD situation. The seller should feel ashamed of himself and you can bet he's probably here reading this. Karma will come back around to bite you in the @$$. Don't think so? I've seen it come back ten-fold on people and you will get yours.
JT, I hope this won't discourage you in the future. There are plenty of reputable people out there... Just make sure you do your research beforehand in the future. As much of the situation is a bummer.... take what you can from it.... it was an expensive lesson. At least you can become a pro from this experience and maybe you can tell other people what to look for in the future.
I've purchased other fish through the mail and one in particular I liked and stuck with him. Now, I'm a bit worried as my husband and I might be moving soon and I'm gonna have to have my discus shipped up to me. That thought alone frightens me!
If he does have links with that aquarium (part owner or something like that) and he is selling off fish privately i would put a call into the tax department......
Ado
why would you think paypay is any better/safer than eft's? everything i know about paypal its not only not safe, but they charge you a heap for the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sazabi
EFT = money sent, cant do anything if seller doesnt send the fish or sends dead onesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan`
paypal = money sent, if there is an issue, then I go through my credit card using chargeback, not going to go through paypal to dispute.
I've used paypal many times. The first time I had an issue, paypal sucked badly as the seller wont respond and so the dispute ended due to the time limit being over. I went through my credit card and got everything back.
And I realised that never ever go through paypal dispute, just go through your credit card.
:D
hi JT,
this is a sad situation, and frustrates me a great deal, and im sure any decent person wouldve refunded you back at least 1/3 of your money, but at least you've learnt for the future, there are alot of very good people on this forum, as u can clearly see, so dont be discouraged to buy fish in the future...
The seller is 100% to blame, The buyer doesn't need to worry about bagging,packing and shipping as that is what he is paying the seller for ($120).
If I was you I would shell out another $70 to go see him and give him a royal beating! :lol:
why do I miss all the fun :banghead
I'd say the fish were probably sick otherwise the're pretty hard to kill with or without oxygen.