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    there is no such a thing as an immediate reaction after consuming frozen bloodworms but certain will surface later.
    Wont do them much good once they are inside a fishes stomach tho will
    it , considering stomach fluids break down bone ...
    I am going to eat a tin 'o' brine cysts now , and when i pass them i will
    see if i can hatch them in a glass of milk ( yes i'll put rock salt in too ) .


    I need to agree with you since you said that you have kept so many wonderful fishes from all over the world and you have been feeding them with frozen bloodworms and have never incurred any problem at all.
    Your quoting out of context there FBW is not the total diet ... *SLAP*

    YOU MEAN THE ABOVE FISHES DID FALL SICK ONCE IN AWHILE??? Because of what???
    Certainly not because of FBW Andrew , your grasping for straws now



    You mean freezing at minus 3 to 4 degree can kill even the cyst of micro-organism?
    Perhaps not ! , But the stomach fluid as pre-mentioned will ...

    You look cute when yer flustered Slothy ....


    Wol ,
    I believe that if a fish will take food , Medicating or not !
    it is benificial to the fishes health/recovery !
    Same with us , if were eating we are getting neccessary intake
    to promote immune stability to combat nasty's ...

    Andy... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officerlungy
    Wont do them much good once they are inside a fishes stomach tho will it , considering stomach fluids break down bone ...
    Ok Andy,

    What if the pathogen is "water borne"?

    If that is the case then it could be an environmental trigger.

    There are too many variables involved for you to come right out and say that Andrew's theory is full on wrong.

    You do what works for your fish..........
    Others will do the same.

    BTW - I dare you to eat those BS eggs :P

    Brine shrimp hatching tanks are also home to billions of nasties.
    As far as I know there is only one company that 100% stands behind thier product, and has done MAJOR things to insure that their products are the best that they can be and that is SFB.
    "I am not the chicken plucker. I am the chicken pluckers son, and I'll be plucking chickens till the chicken plucker comes!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishpimpin73


    I have gotten to the point that I ONLY feed ONE brand of FBS to my fish and that is bc it is a trusted brand to breeders and culturists that I KNOW PERSONALLY.

    bc what brand name does it stand for??...JIm
    .....Keep fit guys....get the bicycle out.....Jim

    have fun and be nice to each other

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    Hello Andy,

    I don't know where you are from as you have not revealed your location...hmmm...but it is O.K.....what you mentioned in the previous posting and now...are very cute......and I am sure those reading your postings know what you are trying to do.

    I will just leave it as that.................................................. ...........

    Hello Fishpimpim73,

    ...I don't know who you are but you are abolutely right about Frozen bloodworms and Brine shrimp eggs. BSE carries with them Vibro sp. bacterium..besides others and that is why the Artemia Reference Center, Belgium (my mentor) recommends that BS eggs should be decapsulated to remove the shell leaving only the membrane before putting them to hatch. Even the area between the shell and the membrane can contain bacteria....amazing!!!

    Merrilyn is right! Breeders in general do advise feeding medicated food during treatment while the discus are still soaking in medicated water. But feeding with such is done near to the end of treatment when they are willing to eat and not in the initial stage of treatment as that may foul the water.

    Warmest regards to all...including Andy,
    Andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim from sydney
    bc what brand name does it stand for??...JIm
    Actually Jim,

    BC = because.

    As for the brand that we use, It is The San Francisco Bay brand ( When it comes to BS they are the BEST!! ).

    Not to say that it is the only Frozen food that I feed..............

    Just the only frozen LIVE food that I feed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Soh
    Hello Fishpimpim73,

    ...I don't know who you are
    That is quite ok............

    I don't know who I am either

    Let alone who you are......

    I just figured that I would pipe in with things that I have learned while keeping fish.

    There was an epidemic a few years ago here in the states.
    It was linked to nasties in frozen foods, namely BW and BS.

    My whole goal is to save at least ONE fish.

    As a hobbyist, if I can achieve that.................

    Then my job here is complete
    "I am not the chicken plucker. I am the chicken pluckers son, and I'll be plucking chickens till the chicken plucker comes!"

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    Hi There,
    Now I know you are from the states........

    Maybe see you around in the ACA?

    warmest regards,
    Andrew

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    I'm a member of the ACA.

    Went to Denver last year.

    Won't be going to Dallas this year.

    TOO HOT!

    But maybe sometime in the future we can hook up at the con
    "I am not the chicken plucker. I am the chicken pluckers son, and I'll be plucking chickens till the chicken plucker comes!"

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    Acriflavin based drugs are a well documented treatment for Velvet and apparently it's the treatment of choice for many.
    MAC

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    Hello Mac,
    Just to throw a thought:

    Prolong use of acriflavine can result in resistance. As to whether it can eliminate Velvet....I am not sure.

    If hobbyists doubt the effectiveness of normal salt...Sodium Chloride (which in fact works very well and safe), use the chelated copper sulphate sold in the aquarium shops..manufactured by high standard and reputated producers of aquarium products. Copper in short term should not harm plants and defintely not nitrifying bacteria.

    Warmest regards,
    Andrew

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    However when using copper you have to be careful if your tank is host to ANY form of invert.

    Copper KILLS many inverts IMMEDIATELY, which can create a massive shift in chem and can cause serious tank crashes.

    Although copper is an EXCELLENT deterent to many FW nasties, the popular opinion is that if you are concerned about these micro orgs UV is the way to go.

    Especially in planted aquaria, where snails ( i.e. MTS ) are a major benefit.

    Although there are supposedly some "safe" forms of copper..........
    I haven't come across enough info to "trust" those products.

    Just my 2 cents
    "I am not the chicken plucker. I am the chicken pluckers son, and I'll be plucking chickens till the chicken plucker comes!"

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