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Sun Dec 09, 2012, 03:54 AM
#1
Medium Discus
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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:09 AM
#2
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Mon Dec 10, 2012, 07:10 AM
#3
Hi ivo,
wow, they look great, if you don't mind me asking, who did you buy them from, hope you get to breed them.
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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:22 AM
#4
Hi ivo,
What parameters have you got them in ? Are they as hard to keep as people say ?
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Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:43 PM
#5
Hi IVO
How confident are you that you have been sold the wild caught Altums,
First glance and the pics you have tell me that you got F1 tank bread.
You may want to know how anyone can tell the diffidence,
How i tell the diffidence is from the middle bar, it has to connect to the bottom of the body and turn towards the rear lower fin.
As you can see clearly in your pics yours are just shy of reaching the bottom of the body.
Non the less they are grate looking fish, and been told they are easier to keep than the wild caught.
I have been keeping wild ones for 5 years now and i started with 12 and have just one still alive, he is about 25 cm top fin to bottom fin.
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Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:48 AM
#6
Medium Discus
Originally Posted by ALTUMA
Hi IVO
How confident are you that you have been sold the wild caught Altums,
First glance and the pics you have tell me that you got F1 tank bread.
You may want to know how anyone can tell the diffidence,
How i tell the diffidence is from the middle bar, it has to connect to the bottom of the body and turn towards the rear lower fin.
As you can see clearly in your pics yours are just shy of reaching the bottom of the body.
Non the less they are grate looking fish, and been told they are easier to keep than the wild caught.
I have been keeping wild ones for 5 years now and i started with 12 and have just one still alive, he is about 25 cm top fin to bottom fin.
Why don't you do more research first?
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Mon Feb 25, 2013, 07:57 AM
#7
Beautiful little ones u must be really happy to have them .
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Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:25 AM
#8
They Are wild Altums with out question
Originally Posted by ALTUMA
Hi IVO
How confident are you that you have been sold the wild caught Altums,
First glance and the pics you have tell me that you got F1 tank bread.
You may want to know how anyone can tell the diffidence,
How i tell the diffidence is from the middle bar, it has to connect to the bottom of the body and turn towards the rear lower fin.
As you can see clearly in your pics yours are just shy of reaching the bottom of the body.
Non the less they are grate looking fish, and been told they are easier to keep than the wild caught.
I have been keeping wild ones for 5 years now and i started with 12 and have just one still alive, he is about 25 cm top fin to bottom fin.
I am positive these are wilds, we have imported many F1 altums and some do show incomplete bar, but I have also seen many wild caught altums with incomplete bar, which means the centre bar doesn’t always reach the very bottom. We have visited the Taiwan Altum breeder whom had, through out his whole stock very bad broken bar traits, (bars with gapes in-between).
I have also visited the Malaysian Breeder whom breeds the F1s and he had all his fish without broken bar, but admittedly a few with incomplete bar traits. I have seen many juvi wilds with incomplete bar and many with complete bar. But as they mature the bar becomes complete, I think this is a species distribution issue and nothing more, with the wilds.
Their are different variants as you are most likely to be aware of with the P Altum , just to name a few, they include the Rio Ventuari , Rio Inirida, Rio Orinoco and the Rio Atabapo, they all have different appearances. Some have extraordinarily Tall dorsal, some have red spotts some have a lot of red in the dorsal some have a lot of blue sheen some have thicker bars and some have longer ventral fins, So in conclusion in my opinion these fish in question are undoubtedly Wild P Altum, I will say though, that the Incomplete bar on the F1s are a little bit bigger than the incomplete bar gap from the bottom of the Wild fish which has a smaller gap. I will say that from which river system the fish in question comes from I hasten to guess, most likely Rio Inirida, as this is where most of the wilds where caught and exported from in the last season, which was around June to August noted by my direct South American source
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Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:05 AM
#9
Medium Discus
Re: They Are wild Altums with out question
Originally Posted by FinVision P/L
Originally Posted by ALTUMA
Hi IVO
How confident are you that you have been sold the wild caught Altums,
First glance and the pics you have tell me that you got F1 tank bread.
You may want to know how anyone can tell the diffidence,
How i tell the diffidence is from the middle bar, it has to connect to the bottom of the body and turn towards the rear lower fin.
As you can see clearly in your pics yours are just shy of reaching the bottom of the body.
Non the less they are grate looking fish, and been told they are easier to keep than the wild caught.
I have been keeping wild ones for 5 years now and i started with 12 and have just one still alive, he is about 25 cm top fin to bottom fin.
I am positive these are wilds, we have imported many F1 altums and some do show
Thank you for your clarification. Have you got any special angels for sale at the moment?
incomplete bar, but I have also seen many wild caught altums with incomplete bar, which means the centre bar doesn’t always reach the very bottom. We have visited the Taiwan Altum breeder whom had, through out his whole stock very bad broken bar traits, (bars with gapes in-between).
I have also visited the Malaysian Breeder whom breeds the F1s and he had all his fish without broken bar, but admittedly a few with incomplete bar traits. I have seen many juvi wilds with incomplete bar and many with complete bar. But as they mature the bar becomes complete, I think this is a species distribution issue and nothing more, with the wilds.
Their are different variants as you are most likely to be aware of with the P Altum , just to name a few, they include the Rio Ventuari , Rio Inirida, Rio Orinoco and the Rio Atabapo, they all have different appearances. Some have extraordinarily Tall dorsal, some have red spotts some have a lot of red in the dorsal some have a lot of blue sheen some have thicker bars and some have longer ventral fins, So in conclusion in my opinion these fish in question are undoubtedly Wild P Altum, I will say though, that the Incomplete bar on the F1s are a little bit bigger than the incomplete bar gap from the bottom of the Wild fish which has a smaller gap. I will say that from which river system the fish in question comes from I hasten to guess, most likely Rio Inirida, as this is where most of the wilds where caught and exported from in the last season, which was around June to August noted by my direct South American source
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Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:07 AM
#10
Medium Discus
Stuff up lasr post. Hi Finvision, thank you for your clarification. Have you got any special angels for sale at the monent?
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